Igor, there are loads of theories across the Internet about who rules the world.
Some say that it’s a secret club of Masons, others say that it’s a number of the richest families, the third ones say something about Putin.
You are among the wealthiest people in Russia.
You’re supposed to have this information.
So, who rules the world, after all?
There is no direct link between financial wealth… that’s an obsolete concept that ‘rich’ means financially rich.
There is no direct connection between financial wealth and the biggest influence.
But those people that possess or are beneficiaries of the longest control chains have this very maximum influence.
These people know how to concentrate capital, power, create material objects, build pyramids.
How to create companies worth a trillion of dollars. Amazon.
These people know that because they possess or control the longest value chain.
For example, Amazon, you know: the longest, the deepest and the widest value chain in all dimensions.
Who can compete with such a chain? Only God can.
Well, only God has an even longer value chain.
Did you understand anything I said?
The chain length is essential, because you know the unit economics, you also know that the one who controls the biggest number and
a sum of chains in terms of length, power, depth etc., turns quantity into quality.
In actual fact, the global influence of Jeff Bezos today exceeds the influence of the
5 coolest presidents of the coolest countries
And what about Rockefeller and Rothschild families?
Well, listen, Warren Buffett, Rockefellers, the Rothschild family – there is a sufficient number of very powerful clans and families.
Imagine traditional influential, very powerful people finding themselves in a sort of a web of these powers and weak links,
each of which is invisible but turns out to be a kind of a little web that counts in trillions, you don’t see them, but you can be controlled like a puppet.
Because you’ve seen how a fly behaves when it finds itself enmeshed in the web.
It starts twitching and trying to get out – “I’ll get out of it right now” – but only keeps getting stuck even more.
In fact, this was in its head too, when it flew, it didn’t see the web and when it got stuck and
when it got stuck and saw not one mesh but a few others, then it swung its wing and saw even more of them.
And here came the spider and weaved the fly round a tender cocoon of hundreds of these little webs.
And the fly is there. But it didn’t die, it lives here from now on.
The spider would say: “Live here, why fly?”
The world construction goes in a single direction.
The poor will become not poor but having enough time and money to replenish their health, to feel fine and so on.
So, the rich will do everything to avoid revolutions, riots, etc.
But the rich will carry on becoming richer, because that’s the way the system is built – the length, the depth, the width of the chains will keep growing.
And people like Jeff Bezos will be beneficiaries of these chains.
The major part of the global capital is located in the Unites States.
Can we say that the USA is the command centre of the global governance?
One of the most influential centres is not exactly in the United States but in the territory of North America. It’s true.
There are other influential centres of control over the world.
In China, Switzerland, London, Moscow, there’s a significant number of them and each of them adds something.
However, the thing is that there’s no point in saying where the most influential centre is, because it’s a multi-agent system.
It’s a sort of a connected network, and, for example, something that happens in China is sometimes a consequence of someone’s actions in America.
In fact, the thing that does exist is a specific multi-agent network of the most influential people, there is a total of 10,000 of them in the world.
Well, let it be 20,000. 10,000 very influential people, and the total of all of influential people is 20,000.
20,000 people on Earth determine 99.9% of everything. 20,000 people.
In fact, everyone knows them – CIA, FBI, FSB, MI6 – everyone knows them.
Another thing is that these 20 thousand people are very autonomous, no one can make them unitary,
no one can make them accept anything, they are in a sort of a game scenario all the time.
And here comes the question – who will kick start to a more smart-ass game
to create concentrators of aspirations among these 20,000 people that will lead one or another clan to superiority?
It’s a deep game, involving special-class players
Vladimir Putin was being recognized by the top-respected editions of the world as the most powerful person for several years in a row.
What do you think about it?
Indeed, among the politicians it’s really so.
I don’t compile these rankings, but I feel it by Putin’s influence on the most influential people, of their knowledge of Putin, tracing of Putin’s actions and so on.
When someone is in plain view and his/her actions are traced and constantly monitored by some services, security services and other different things,
it reflects the influence, it means that this specific person affects the game of lots of people.
Influence in the modern world – and it’s the following point – is how wide and deep you play.
And if other influential people say that someone is influential, that is true.
In fact, for the record, it is a big, great responsibility, a great challenge when you become very influential and very rich.
Well, you undertake certain commitments and if you violate them, you’ll face imminent reckoning,
and the scale of this reckoning will be proportional to the scale of your commitments, status, reputation and the game you play.
Igor, you’re talking about a multisystem, but these are Masons, right? Or how are these people called?
Well, I’ve already given you a lot of information.
You know, an interesting thing is that it’s not a multisystem but a metasystem.
These are various layers, connected with each other.
How do people join in this community of those who rule the world?
Is there any initiation for entering? Were you initiated?
Ten years ago, a representative of one large investment company contacted us and asked for a meeting,
we thought it was about purchasing the TECHNONICOL company or an attempt to sell a company to us,
because we’d been conducting a lot of research on what company to buy.
So, we were getting ready for it, were exploring something.
But when we met, the conversation was shifted into other subjects.
But a sequence of events took place and only when it did, we suddenly realized that we got there.
And it turned out that it was a preliminary stage, because after that, in another seven years, there was a well-realized stage,
And after that a regular work with leading self-makers, entrepreneurs and current influential people in the world has started.
I know that last year you visited the Unites States and I know that you met with Bill Gates. Did you deal with these issues?
Bill Gates and I discussed the following: he got interested in our Education Pledge Initiative.
It is the giving pledge to education.
He was pleasantly surprised to hear that our family would make a public pledge this February – and we’ve already made it –
to gift the half of the family’s fortune to education, at least one hundred million dollars over the next ten years – and we made it this February.
Bill gates is interested in making the Education Pledge, an initiative of the giving pledge to education, let’s say, a part of mainstream of the rich,
because, just imagine, a rich person is looking for a way to return his/ her capital or social power
in a transformed way efficiently, but cannot find it because he/she has never dealt with it.
And now imagine the following: we take this franchise, we take the means that surely can help him/her with it with high efficiency.
Of course, such an approach is worth spreading.
You say that these people must and want to return their capital to society.
Yes, they do.
They must, they are surprised to know that they must at a certain stage, and then they want to return the capital themselves. You want to know why?
Of course! To become even richer.
When richer people are around you and there’re more rich people, they buy more expensive products on Amazon or in TECHNONICOL,
I make more money, that’s why I’m deeply interested in more rich people in Russia and all around the world.
The world is not a zero-sum game, I mean when someone becomes richer while the other becomes poorer.
Not at all, the world works in a different way.
There could be 10 times more rich people in every country and in every city.
That’s how the world works.
That’s why, as a rule, philanthropists are great self-makers and entrepreneurs, classical businesspersons and heirs of already established capitals,
they are immensely interested in more rich people in the world.
All this is extremely pragmatic.
But this effect has an indirect side effect – when there are more rich people, the taxes become higher, there are more roads, more hospitals,
human well-being is going up, there are more smiles on people’s faces, actually, all these good things we keep talking about – to make the world a better place –
happen automatically, that’s why we don’t tend to use this utilitarian or pragmatic explanation,
we go straight to our desire to make the world better.
And that is absolutely true.
You say that one of the tasks is to reduce poverty,
but among these 20 thousand people you’re talking about there must be someone whose private capital is more than the budget of most of the countries of the world.
What’s the problem with combating poverty then?
Have you even studied mathematics?
It seems to me you have problems with mathematics.
Let’s calculate. The world GDP is some 100 trillion dollars.
The biggest company with the largest value chain costs one trillion dollars, well, one trillion plus.
By the way, these are three such companies – Apple, Amazon, perhaps Google, it’s almost reached one trillion, Microsoft – well, four.
What is ‘enterprise value’?
Enterprise value is not about cash on the accounts, it is a conditional virtual capitalization of the company, it is a measure.
But at the same time, Amazon may have 50 billion dollars on its accounts, well, if the GDP is seen to be 100 thousand dollars,
and there are 50 billion dollars on the accounts and so on,
look, even one trillion dollars or even two trillion dollars, if they are distributed in a thin layer,
calculate it roughly for some 7 or 8 billion people in the world, calculate it, divide it, nobody will even notice it.
The challenge for humanity is not in handing out the existing benefits, concentrated by rich people, not at all,
but in creating equal conditions for an access to today’s growing youngsters, young people that already account for 60% in the world,
the younger population of Asia, Africa, there’s plenty of them, so that they can grow up and become worthy rich people.
People have tried to hand out money, into equal parts or unequally, many times, whatever, and every time the end was the same –
the stratification became more dramatic, and parasitism got a medium to grow, because when you hand out money to someone just for a thank you,
the last motivation to do anything deactivates, it seems to work like this.
That’s why this way is not that bad, it’s good in everything except for one thing –
no matter how many times people tried applying it, it always resulted in increasing problems.
So, the lessons learnt by humanity has led to a more successful experience –
to change the world through upbringing or through education.
In a word, combating poverty is not as easy as it may seem at first glance, but we’re full of determination to cope with this challenge particularly by our joint efforts.
Igor, could you share with us the global goals that have been set by the world community of the most influential people for the next 50 years?
The biggest challenge that exists today is to anticipate de-humanization of humanity because of technology.
Artificial intelligence and other technologies are a challenge for all of us, because de-humanization of society may reach critically significant values.
Put simply, we may find ourselves in a world where robots and machines will determine everything –
who’ll be with whom, how many times, what we will eat and so on.
And humans will lost their ability to have an influence on it.
Sometimes it’s what is described in some apocalyptic scenarios about some wars against the machines and so on.
Look, there will be no war against the machines, roughly speaking, people will turn into some bio-bugs
that will receive a portion of snivel-like food from artificial intelligence to remain alive, and all these people will be slaves on some plantations.
Sounds apocalyptic, but it’s a real challenge, de-humanization of humanity with digital technology, we’re on the razor’s edge, it’s a challenge.
Nobody knows where the world will move to, but these very 20,000 people do understand that, look,
if the world moves there, they’ll try not to let it get there, because it will lead to the fall of humanity.
That’s all, that’s the end of evolution, well, nobody knows what will come after this fall,
and it means we’ll struggle to prevent this from happening.